robyorks
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Post by robyorks on Mar 12, 2017 17:11:34 GMT 1
Afternoon all.
Went up to the yard today, thought I would give the old girl a run out but turning they key just gave me the dreaded 'click'
Tried jumping it thinking the batteries had died but it did the same thing.
Spent an hour trying to liberate the solenoid from the starter, only to find there's a second one somewhere.
My question is, where can I find the second solenoid and is it likely to be that at fault?
Thanks in advance, Rob.
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Post by alfiebeard on Mar 13, 2017 23:02:11 GMT 1
Hi the 2nd solenoid is fitted inside the passenger side chassis rail just behind the cab. don't fall for the old rubbish about it being a special solenoid it isn't its exactly the same as the old mini type, it is very common for this to fail. if you get someone to turn the key and you get underneath you can hear whether its the one on the starter motor that's clicking(if so its the starter motor at fault), the starter wont click if the one on the chassis has failed here is a link to the type fitted in the chassis. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-mini-starter-motor-solenoid-New-/400521091256?hash=item5d40ead8b8:g:~x8AAOxyuuJR0W6gregards Alf
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Post by robyorks on Mar 14, 2017 3:18:47 GMT 1
Thanks for the info Alf, much appreciated! I had another go at it tonight but can't get the nut off the back of the starter solenoid. I also shorted the starter out and it spun over so that's a bonus.Is it possible the second solenoid could have been removed at some point or do they have to be fitted? Only ask because I thought I found it today but it was just a terminal for the positive battery cable, lots of smaller wires coming from it.
Regards, Rob.
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Post by alfiebeard on Mar 15, 2017 23:24:13 GMT 1
If you short the small wire on the starter solenoid to the heavy feed wire on the solenoid (the ones on the starter)does the starter engage and turn the engine over? if not then the solenoid on the starter is faulty. if the starter engages then you have either faulty wiring or the remote solenoid has failed.
In answer to your question yes a few companies done away with the second solenoid mainly because they used to give bother, But that puts extra load on the ignition switch and can cause it to fail.
Hope this helps
Alf
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Post by robyorks on Mar 16, 2017 1:45:58 GMT 1
I think I went from the heavy feed wire on the solenoid to the starter side of the little butterfly connector between the starter and solenoid and the starter worked. I found the remote solenoid and will be replacing that anyway as the terminals are heavily corroded.
Am I right in thinking that one of the starter mounting bolts is hidden behind the solenoid? This is why I have ended up in a bit of a pickle. Thinking I could just unbolt the solenoid from the starter and reveal the last bolt, I didn't plan on there being A: No play on the heavy feed wire and B: Long bolts in the solenoid preventing me from just removing the nuts and pushing it out of the way. I will have to take my dremmel and generator up at the weekend, see if I can cut the nut off the back of the solenoid. I just hope it is serviceable and doesn't cost me a whole new starter!
Rob
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Post by alfiebeard on Mar 17, 2017 15:31:01 GMT 1
I think I went from the heavy feed wire on the solenoid to the starter side of the little butterfly connector between the starter and solenoid and the starter worked. I found the remote solenoid and will be replacing that anyway as the terminals are heavily corroded. Am I right in thinking that one of the starter mounting bolts is hidden behind the solenoid? This is why I have ended up in a bit of a pickle. Thinking I could just unbolt the solenoid from the starter and reveal the last bolt, I didn't plan on there being A: No play on the heavy feed wire and B: Long bolts in the solenoid preventing me from just removing the nuts and pushing it out of the way. I will have to take my dremmel and generator up at the weekend, see if I can cut the nut off the back of the solenoid. I just hope it is serviceable and doesn't cost me a whole new starter! Rob Hi Again, there are only 3 bolts holding the starter motor to the gearbox they are in a triangular configuration and are all normally assessable if I remember correctly, I wouldn't remove the solenoid from the starter motor whilst its still on the gearbox as it would be a nightmare to refit it, if the starter engaged when you shorted the large terminal to the small one then the starter and solenoid is fine, your fault is the remote solenoid. Alfie
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Post by robyorks on Mar 21, 2017 9:21:01 GMT 1
I can only see two of them Alfie, presumed the third was behind the solenoid and I only have access from below. Haven't gotten any further with it yet due to bad weather but hoping that changes by the weekend. Also still looking for a local replacement for the remote, don't like ordering stuff like that off of the internet!
Rob.
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Post by robyorks on Mar 28, 2017 0:16:56 GMT 1
Weather has been up and down like a brides nightie here, still not been back under the old girl. Hoping for some sunshine this weekend so will be solenoid shopping this week. Wish me luck Rob.
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Post by alfiebeard on Mar 29, 2017 22:59:18 GMT 1
Just buy one for a classic mini as they are the same unit Rob.
Alfie
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Post by robyorks on Mar 30, 2017 1:04:36 GMT 1
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Post by alfiebeard on Mar 31, 2017 22:17:39 GMT 1
Lol Yeah thats a good buy , hopefully that should cure your problems.
Alfie.
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Post by robyorks on Apr 15, 2017 20:46:34 GMT 1
Well, after an hour yesterday and a couple more tonight after work I finally managed to fit the new remote solenoid and rebuild the starter solenoid.
Wasn't easy at all, took a lot of effing and jeffing and a lot of fiddly dremmel work to do it but it's done! Starter turns over much quicker than before too! Missing a nut off the starter solenoid but I can sort that later, so long as she gets us to the show tomorrow I can live with it.
Rob.
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Post by alfiebeard on Apr 16, 2017 21:21:37 GMT 1
Thats good news well done.
Alf
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Post by robyorks on Apr 17, 2017 0:28:55 GMT 1
Thanks Alf. She performed faultlessly today, started right on the button.
Had a few hours to plan my next jobs while daughter/horse did their thing. Think I'm gonna revamp the kitchen and replace the gas pipes, seems a shame to have all those appliances and not use them.
Also, something the garage mentioned. They said I should hit the underside with body shutz. I have seen a lot of rust under there but it's also very dirty so surely the underseal won't stick? Anyone have any ideas for cleaning before undersealing??
Rob.
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Post by alfiebeard on Apr 24, 2017 22:09:37 GMT 1
Thanks Alf. She performed faultlessly today, started right on the button. Had a few hours to plan my next jobs while daughter/horse did their thing. Think I'm gonna revamp the kitchen and replace the gas pipes, seems a shame to have all those appliances and not use them. Also, something the garage mentioned. They said I should hit the underside with body shutz. I have seen a lot of rust under there but it's also very dirty so surely the underseal won't stick? Anyone have any ideas for cleaning before undersealing?? Rob. To remove the rust I would use a wire brush....I would get a pressure washer and clean up as much as you can then use the wire brush to get the loose crap off, wait for a day or two for it to dry off then Shultz it , or better still spray oil on it avoiding anything made of rubber ie bushes and pipes etc, also I would use new cheap engine oil as old oil is messy and can contain acids. keep away from the engine and exhaust if you do use oil as MOT testers may think you have oil leaks and fail it. Alf
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